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 | Subject: Kano's Rants On Bleach Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:44 pm | |
|  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ExplinationWell from what i have seen, bleach is slowly taking a turn for the worst. so i decided to start up a Rant thread. Stuff to know before you start readingevery rant that i post is completely under my opinion of thought. so do not take it as a personal attack. as well each of my posts will include the following.
- This Weeks Rant/Past Rant
- Chapter Number
- Chapter Name
- Spoiler of Rant
As well as that. i hope to be able to post each on on the day i read to the chapter. i may have some help, and they will be stated in the post. Why do i include each?This Weeks Rant/Past Rant is for people know wich rant is focused, and wich rant of mine is previous, they will have title changes when the next one is posted. so please do not add this within your post, it will cause confusion Chapter Number is for people who have not yet read that chapter will know not to read this Chapter Name is there to be part of the rant, and aswell provides identification help Spoiler of Rant, Each Rant will be in a spoiler for those who have not read the chapter dont have to view it Other people postingyou are allowed to post within this thread. but i wish for you to follow some ground rules
- Please do not just slam down on everything i say, use actual logic in what you say
- Please do not just say "no thats not right" or "I'm with you man" if i get so much spam, i will stop posting my Rants. I would appreciate though if you do post, but give a true reasoning that can be debated on
- if you are gonna post, post for the most recent Rant, if you got something you are working on for a post, the get it done before the next chapter. i will let any current arguements be settled before posting the next rant if i do not get a whole chapter behind. But i do not want someone replying to last weeks rant when this weeks chapter rant is already posted, it can get very confusing.
- Do not out right slander anyone withing this board, treat all opinions and members with Respect.
- This whole thread is all in good fun, so do not try to offend someone and do not take offence to what is said. Every rant will be about bleach, but you may catch some other anime's/Manga's mentioned, as well as quote from members and/or friends that i have heard. If i remember where i heard it i will give credit, if you know you said it, tell me and if possible show proof and i will either take it off or give credit, depending on which you want to happen. and if you see your own credited quote up here, and you ask nicely, i will take it down
ConsequencesDue to not having any authority, the only consiquences will be given by staff if normal forum rules are disobeyed. the only thing i can do, which i will, is ask for this thread to be locked, and stop posting rants in general if i see a majority breaking the rules DisclaimerI am not responsible for any unwanted knowledge you gain from my rants, they are in a spoiler for a reason. if you accidentally read chapter X's rant even though you are on chapter W, well to bad, you should have payed attention to which one you are reading. Also incase you haven't been paying attention, each Rant may contain a major amount of spoilers. So
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 | Subject: Bleach chapter 454 SHEATHEBREAKER Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:57 pm | |
| This Weeks Rant
- Chapter Number-454
- Chapter Name-sheathebreaker
- Spoiler of Rant
| Spoiler: | | | Well lets start at the first two pages. we see ichigo's dad Issin, and Kisuke. Well from the rest of the chapter...you wont see them at all, really why on earth were they put in? Was it to look cool? Or cause Kisuke's just that badass? and Issins sword, I have some ideas, but i dont see what the real point in that is. Now this whole chapter is really about a Raging Ichigo, screaming and shouting cause memories were "Re-written" admittingly, That is the first...Kinda...Original idea they have had since before the whole Aizen Moth incedent, where i wish i started this earlier to have a long ass rant on that. But back to the current chapter. So yea, we got a Raging Ichigo because Tsukishima apparently inserted himself within Ichigo's friends and family. I don't see how that is a big deal to rage that hard about. I mean, its not like even his parent is taken over. Ichigo and Ginjo are worried about killing him, and being treated as outcasts. Can't they just, you know, get him in a back alley or something. And then they are all of a sudden, found. that would be something for Ginjo to remember instead of stating that its hardly known. And really, the Art has changed, with the overdramatic creepyness of Ichigo. making every image of him looking like he is an insomnic creepy, Before the art actually looked cool, i dont know if they have a different artist, or maybe they are loosing ratings so they are changing the art. but its not working. and like i said about Useless images of people. whats up with Ishida in the hospital. are they saying that he is actually come back into the arc, or is it just another cool image.
alright well lets focus on Tsukishima's abilities...so really he has the power to erase peoples memories WITHOUT this kikanshinki
 which is basically the equivilant to this
 aswell as didn't this scenary happen in Bleach:Memories of a nobody, you know, the guy with the scythe that made everyone forget . so yea, Bleach really did run out of ideas.(Brought to you by Keten) and lets go back to the Rage with Ichigo. Yea that happend, his family thinks they are related...but can't he just use Kikanshinki to replace that memory again, or even kill Tsukishima and use that item to wipe their memory or something. And not only that, Remember good old Aizen, you know, the one who could destroy everything. Well ichigo made no where near the Rage he is now. Whats different this time. Infact, in like 4 chapters, he already got his power back and can probably whipe out Tsukishima. Cant be to hard when you look like fucking Kaman Rider. well thats all for this chapter, stay tuned for more
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Kan: 5145
 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:35 am | |
| I guess I might as well be the first to argue with your rants. I'll put my response in a spoiler too for those who haven't read it yet. | Spoiler: | | | I have to say, I agree about the whole Isshin and Kisuke thing. Maybe they were trying to indicate that a ceremony is going on, that they're doing something and the sword implies that it involves shinigami powers? I dunno. Maybe a point will become clear later.
The art, I have to agree too. But frankly the arc is pretty "creepy", and more creepy than re-writing memories because...
...of my main point. The entire point of that chapter was that Tsukishima wasn't erasing or changing memories. That's not why a bunch of people think he's a friend/relative. What his Fullbring really does is physically inserts him into the victim's past. They don't just have memories of him, they actually knew him. It literally re-writes the past so he is in their lives in whatever way he chooses to be. That's why everyone thinks Ichigo and...Gin was it?...whatever, Ichigo and him want to kill this guy that might, depending on how the guy put himself in their past, be their best friend. They could have known this guy since childhood or something, hell he could get Orihime to think he is her boyfriend and it would actually be true. The only person's past Tsukishima isn't in is Ichigo and Gin's. As Gin stated, Tsukishima stabbed everyone Ichigo knows. He even went as far as stabbing Ichigo's boss, so you can bet he probably got everyone else Ichigo knows. Tsukishima probably hasn't made himself some distant cousin, he probably made himself a relative that practically lives at Ichigo's house and hangs out with Chad and Orihime and Ichigo all the time, and made himself Gin's second in command in XECUTION. In the new version, Tsukishima probably fought at Ichigo's side like Orihime, Uryuu, and Chad, and went with everyone into Hueco Mundo and to rescue Rukia and such. And now, at least in the victims' minds, Ichigo and Gin, two of Tsukishima's best friends in the world, want to kill him. It's a bit more complex than just re-writing memories. So yes, this scenario happened in Memories of Nobody, but the exact opposite: One person that was a friend was made a complete stranger and/or and enemy. (All my scenarios were simply possibilities. Don't take it as though I'm saying that's what actually happened, cause I really have no idea what the victims think)
And as to Ichigo yelling: this is more personal. Aizen didn't have access yet to all Ichigo's friends, Orihime, Chad, and Uryuu were all still in Hueco Mundo, and moreover, all Aizen could do was kill them (or possibly torture and kill them, but it amounts to the same thing). But Tsukishima is destroying Ichigo's friends, not by killing them, but by changing them throughout the past and turning them into completely different people, and making them think Ichigo has gone insane. Also, as you mentioned, Tsukishima isn't nearly as powerful. Yet he still has that same arrogant attitude. That might contribute to pissing Ichigo off.
And Ichigo still doesn't know any more about his powers than we do. He just completed his Fullbring--which as of now hasn't yet fused with his remaining Shinigami powers to bring his Zanpakutou and Mask back--and Tsukishima has had his full-power Fullbring for years apparently. Furthermore, if Ichigo takes one hit, just one, he loses because then Ichigo will start to trust him completely because, of course, Tsukishima will become and old best friend. Ichigo isn't sure his Fullbring's power will protect him from that.
So yeah. That's all for now. |
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 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:10 pm | |
| Well first, I have to thank you for not only posting it in a spoiler, but just as well posting something with actual information and use. And I shall attempt to Rebuttal.
- Chapter Number-454
- Chapter Name-sheathebreaker
- Spoiler of Rant
| Spoiler: | | | well honestly, the arc is not all that creepy. I have read a lot of manga, Soul Eater is just border-line creepy, and Bleach does not amount to that level, the rewriting of memories is not a creepy concept, its more on the Dramatic, or Drama for short, side of genre. As you stated “its a personal attack on Ichigo” that would be more on the Drama side, only the art looks creepy, like the final episode of Death note. Major overreaction.
As for Tsukishima's abilities. I'm sticking with the idea of Rewriting memories. If you think about it, inserting himself into your past is rewriting your memory for it only effects your memory. Its not like he goes into the past and puts himself for everyone to remember. So it is the effect of erasing a portion and inserting himself in it, literally photoshoping himself in your brain.
And aside that personal attack on Ichigo, it's not like Aizen destroying Karakura would not effect him. For his sisters, human friends, and all were still there, and killing them should cause just as much of a reaction to just fooling his family and friends.
And as well for Tsukishima attacking Ichigo, I bet that is gonna happen, and Ichigo will break free, some how, he will. Like in the arc were he had to fight his mom, and was trapped. Or possibly back to the movie “Memories of a Nobody” where Rukia was taken out of everyone's memories, but Ichigo and Kon somehow remembered.
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Kan: 5145
 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:28 pm | |
| Well, funnily enough, I kind of agree with every individual thing you said, but not with what you said as a whole. Chapter Number-454 Chapter Name-sheathebreaker Spoiler of Rant: | Spoiler: | | | No, the arc is not really creepy. That's why I put it in quotes in my post. But they're using a "creepy" motif. The villain is sleek, western, and cold looking, infiltrating every part of the characters' lives. It's the middle of the night, Ichigo can't trust anyone he meets, and they'll be in a crumbling, abandoned, western-style manor. So it's obvious that they're trying to make it seem creepy. And so it makes sense that the art is done in a creepy style.
And the difference in his ability is just a matter of power. Memories would be specific instances, and would be more heavy handed. He would also have to write each memory, so he could only change a few memories with each stab. If he rewrites their life, he can be a constant presence. In other words, with memory rewriting you could only create memories of a few meetings, and if they tried to become friends, his victims would only have memories of a few times when they hung out, for all of which they considered him their best friend, yet in the memories in between, they apparently forget all about their "best friend". Even if it was their own memories, people would still never believe it. With his power, he actually goes back in their past and is with them the entire time. There's never a time in the memories where they apparently forget about their "best friend". So it's almost like a memory version of Aizen's Zanpakutou. Aizen's Zanpakutou completely and totally changes every aspect of what he wants change, completely changing an opponent's veiw of the world, unlike most illusion Zanpakutou that change small areas or changes them conditionally. It's the same for Tsukishima and memories.
And I'm not saying it wouldn't affect Ichigo to have his sisters and his friends killed and/or tortured, but it would be even worse it they become depressed because Ichigo went insane, when in reality he didn't go insane and is instead trying to defeat an enemy that, to them, in a close friend. I guess it's just the concept that physical torture (and Aizen actually didn't even actually talk about torture, just killing) pales in comparison to emotional torture. And also, Aizen hadn't actually begun killing Ichigo's friends, he was just planning on it, whereas Tsukishima is midway through convincing Ichigo's friends that he's insane. And again, Aizen's attitude was infuriating enough, but someone as weak as Tsukishima acting that arrogant would certainly piss me off a lot more.
Well yeah, of course that's going to happen, but Ichigo has no way of knowing that he'll break out of it, so he has to act like one hit would be defeat. And as I said before, he's not sure that he is powerful enough to avoid absolutely every attack. |
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 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:54 pm | |
| I still dont see where you are getting at with powers
- Chapter Number-454
- Chapter Name-sheathebreaker
- Spoiler of Rant
| Spoiler: | | | Inserting himself in the past could only work out if it was memory though. If he went into the past, wouldn't it change outcomes of the future. since it only affects the victim, it would still be in the "Memory Genre" I'm sorry, i just don't understand you concept on his powers.
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Kan: 5145
 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:57 pm | |
| Chapter Number-454 Chapter Name-sheathebreaker Spoiler of Rant | Spoiler: | | | Yeah, I'm not doing a very good job of explaining it. What I got from Gin's explanation, though was this; Tsukishima really does physically go and put himself in someone else's past. You're right, it's basically memory re-writing, but on a much more powerful scale. Memory re-writing would change individual memories and instances. It would create random patches of memory where the victim would recognize Tsukishima as a friend or relative, and then on the memories Tsukishima hadn't gotten to they would just have completely forgotten their friend/relative. Because if he were re-writing memories, he'd have to do just that--write memories down, because he would have to specify what exactly happened for each one. It's a bit like the problem people in the movie "Inception" would have faced if it weren't for the whole "sub-conscience fills in the blanks": Tsukishima would have to know every detail of every single memory he was creating or re-writing. So he'd have to carry a book around with him to write the entire life, or at least most of it, of a victim if he wanted to truly instill himself. But if he puts himself in their past, he doesn't have to do that. He just has to probably come up with how he and his victim met in the past, and then what their relationship would be, and then his own nature would provide the details and how he acted. So, it's basically the same effect as memory re-writing, but much easier. Of course, I could have gotten entirely the wrong idea, but whatever. |
Anyone else: feel free to chime in here. |
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Kan: 2286
 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:12 pm | |
| @Omniada He does carry a book...just like to point that out  . But, on a serious note, what Omni said :3 |
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 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:53 am | |
| ~End of Rant~im sorry, i would like to continue, but the next bleach is coming out either today or tomarrow, and i need to prepart a rant for that chapter  i hope you understand. and remember VAYOR |
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Kan: 2286
 | Subject: Re: Kano's Rants On Bleach Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:08 pm | |
| It's already out on Mangastream. New Bleach Chapter |
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